The Cyberunions Talk Show: Episode 33 Return of the … 5th International

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0:30 Welcome to the show

  • Walton is away again
  • I am back in Mexico
  • Coordinate group with the Music Manumit

1:47 Book Deal

5:18 Tech Update

8:14 Part two of the Interview

  • Peter Waterman explains his background
  • Interest in Internationalism as communication

11:50 What can unions do

  • Dedicating union staff to communication
  • Let loose on the Internet
  • Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively

15:00 Another kind of world

  • Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
  • It is real virtuality
  • New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor

17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal

  • Trade union conference is not like Occupy
  • Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
  • Move from controlling to influencing things instead

20:15 Unions need to go to school

  • Need to work with the new social movements
  • If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
  • Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog

23:20 Swarm Theory

  • Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
  • Occupy Movement is a swarm
  • Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm

28:00 The 1992 paper

  • People were pissed off at me
  • “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss

30:14 Wrap up

  • Peter Waterman’s intro in the beginning
  • See you all next week

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