The Cyberunions Talk Show: Episode 33 Return of the … 5th International

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0:30 Welcome to the show

• Walton is away again
• I am back in Mexico
• Coordinate group with the Music Manumit

1:47 Book Deal

• We are partners with Powells Books
• Allies Across the Border

• United Electrical Workers organized a sit-in

5:18 Tech Update

• My laptop got the white screen of death
• Good support from System76
• Will be doing a Statusnet install with a member of Mayfirst

8:14 Part two of the Interview

• Peter Waterman explains his background
• Interest in Internationalism as communication

11:50 What can unions do

• Dedicating union staff to communication
• Let loose on the Internet
• Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively

15:00 Another kind of world

• Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
• It is real virtuality
• New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor

17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal

• Trade union conference is not like Occupy
• Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
• Move from controlling to influencing things instead

20:15 Unions need to go to school

• Need to work with the new social movements
• If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
• Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog

23:20 Swarm Theory

• Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
• Occupy Movement is a swarm
• Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm

28:00 The 1992 paper

• People were pissed off at me
• “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss

30:14 Wrap up

• Peter Waterman’s intro in the beginning
• See you all next week

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