Cyberunions Podcast Episode 90: Identity politics lacks class


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Intro (0:28)

  • Swimming in the lake at 8 C/ 46 F
  • The site will be moving and design changes to and it will be more mobile friendly
  • Steel plant in Germany and worker perspective with a more internationalist perspective
  • Reminds of Capital Moves: The RCA story 
  • Passing of Fidel and the end of an era
  • Transition from Fidel to Trump… is it the end of Neoliberalism? Trump ‘Saving jobs in Indiana’

Main Topic (10:42)

  • Threatening rise of fascism
  • Giving out This Machine kills Fascists 
  • The big fight of identity and class politics
  • Liberals have defended identity politics and occused people bringing up class as white privilege
  • SDP and Communist parties fought each other and the splits let the right come to power, we need to make sure that does not happen again
  • Jacobin magazine historical map of the left in the US (PDF)
  • Highlighting The Guardian newspaper covering identity politics well but not showing up to a strike
  • Identity politics alone seems simple to solve but it has potential for large repercussions, LGBTQ rights comng about in the US at least is great but not everyone is on board with it where class issue is missed. 


  • Capitalists don’t care about LGBTQ but they will exploit the split of the working class
  • Gains in identity politics is more commonly found in the upper class
  • In the film “Pride” Gay and Lesbians support the miners 
  • Shows the struggle of breaking down divisions it will take us a long time but we will grow and become stronger
  • Liberals stop blaming voters, instead blame the movements that failed
  • We need to hold the line and defend identity politics but need to bring class into it
  • The backlash is it left out half of the equation
  • Socialist and revolutionary groups are seeing quite an uptick in membership and interest
  • When did we ever have democracy
  • Scotland shows great signs of positive changes in working class 
  • The wierdness factor is still there, president is not held to conflict of interest laws
  • In a bizarre state of mind of want to know what happens but we are not a game of Sims
  • Spent life fighting Neoliberalism and now it is like oh shit neoliberalism might be better
  • Capitalist will they oddly be in a place of ‘saving us’ in certain parts i.e. capitalist supporting LGBTQ
  • Keep in mind there are splits in capitalism too
  • A wait and see that we don’t want to wait and see
  • The passing of Fidel thinking back on the legacy of Fidel

Tech (39:30)

  • Rebuilding the commons, things have changed since we started, but we still have not figured it out
  • The ongoing challenge of social media in the public commons
  • Do we give up on social media and do really targeted communication
  • What is the problem we are trying to solve it seems it is more like we are trying to still replace email
  • Signal, Whatsapp and Telegram replacing social media seems we want the immediate communication and secure and accessible instead
  • Facebook is becoming a newsfeed, a don’t tag people and let them decide, privacy is being grasped
  • Not writing off XMPP/Jabber
  • Do we want Cyberunions to be more of a role of advising and research for unions and develop a transition process
  • One example is a group in Mexico called Sursiendo that developed an adaptation and adoption plan to free and open source software
  • Should we open a facebook group for cyberunions as general outreach and awareness as people are there and we could use it as just a news outlet feed come to
  • Not to endorse the Facebook game and we want to pull people away there are a lot of leftist groups that have developed strength from there

Outro (54:23)

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Marxist. Socialist & labor movement organizer. Boston DSA Labor he/him
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