The Cyberunions Talk Show: Episode 34 Eff it we’ll call it Pipe Soup (SOPA/PIPA)

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0:26 Walton is still missing

• Temporary replacement is Douglas
• The not missing EFF interview of the first Music Manumit Lawcast
• Douglas thinks a lot and acts like a lawyer

2:15 Die Die die!!!

• Douglas leans toward the anarchist, Anarchy is all over the place
• Black out
• In spanish SOPA/PIPA means Pipe soup
• Call out for a second show…please give feedback

4:50 The EFF-ing interview

• Join by Parker Higgins from the Electronic Frontier Foundation or the EFF
• Different from the normal shows … looking at it from an activist and legal point of view
• SOPA difference than the DMCA SOPA goes outside the borders
• Rogue foreign sites are the “target” but the actions of the legislation was put on the ISP and DNS providers
• Adds further clauses of Anti-Circumvention which adds another level by diminishing safe harbor
• DMCA is a really big law and could be an entire show…gonna focus on SOPA/PIPA

10:35 The show could be 2 hours

• How does SOPA/PIPA differ in relation to theBerne Convention
• SOPA/PIPA it to take action on countries that agreed on copy right law but are not enforcing it.
• Bye bye Megaupload see the FBI link here 
• No one in Hollywood has listed the sites to go after
• Questions if there are sites that exist that cannot be enforced by existing laws

19:05 These things didn’t just happen

• These are in some ways rewrites of legislation written in 2010 called COICA
• Differences between PIPA (Senate Bill) and SOPA (House Bill)
• Both had DNS provisions…but as time passed went different routes, but by the 18th of January they were very similar
• PIPA used a term to use search engine that could have been a problem it was “Information Access Tool”
• Constitution infringements…these bills would sign non-infringing speech
• Where is the “due process” in the first bill no court order was needed, but softened however order could be a one sided hearing

25:05 Dejazz1 and NO due process

• Site contained no infringing content…seized and site shut down
• Over the course of a year, appealed to the government and gave no info then after a year no case and no new process
• Need to go to DC to file appeals
• Thoughts on OPEN Act
• The “piracy” problem is not something to be resolved in legislation
• MPAA/RIAA tried to position it as a “jobs” issue and not a copy write issue
• Pharmaceutical industry testified in support of SOPA/PIPA but referenced existing laws that worked, shot the MPAA/RIAA foot

33:28 Fairs exist where the goods in question are sold

• Do laws exist now to go after websites
• Root problem is that the problem is not clearly defined
• Aimed only at US directed goods and websites

36:15 What to do about the the next SOPA

• Being vigilant on what the US State Department are pushing
• ACTA (another show)
• These policies used to be for nerds, but now a time to discuss in the mainstream about the real issues
• Big backlash in other countries against SOPA type legislation is great to see action being taken
• Space within #Occupy, inspiring since labor unions supported SOPA/PIPA
• OccupyBoston passed a proposal against SOPA/PIPA
• Thank you for taking the time for the interview

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